UF defensive coordinator leaves one day after signing day. Gee I wonder if Urban and everybody knew about this a while ago and if it would have affected a player or two choices?? Nah never....yea right
I'm with you Alex...I'm waiting for Urban to make his 'announcement' again now that signing day is over and UF has done all the damage comtrol they could.
Personally I feel sorry for the defensive players that just signed. Way to screw over a bunch of 18 yr olds.
You guys brought up a good point which I find to be a major flaw in the system. These kids have to commit for three years or suffer major consequences and coaches can leave whenever and however they want. Now that being said they are getting a FREE education so at the same time you can't feel to bad.
in three years some of these kids will be getting out and making more than all of us combined, i can't really feel too bad for them. and like nick said, they are getting a free education.
Most of the coaches are in a contract. They have to pay to get out of them (buyout). If the kids want out, they have to pay too. Their cost? Giving up a free education or a year sitting out to change teams.
Also, I understand that the kids are getting a free education, but this is an obvious situation were recruits were led on. I think it says something about the character of the coach that leaves and the coaches that were aware but said nothing to the recruits.
Again I agree with Alex...I think there is a bigger issue besides the legal consequences. Not trying to sound over-dramatic here, but what kind of example are coaches setting for these players (not just UF). No loyalty in college football.
this is no different than interviewing for a job. you show up for your interview and spend a whole day talking to a bunch of great people and come to find yourself really liking the company. after accepting an offer you start a month later and come to find that the person you thought you would be working with has left?
does this change things? of course. are you walking into a different situation than you anticipated? yep. but are you going to quit and look for work elsewhere? i doubt it.
are you going to blame that person for leaving? i guess you could, but why? if they left because the change was a better fit for them in their life, that doesn't take away from the value of the company that they were representing.
But, Jae, in the situation you describe you are not talking about kids. I know they look like 30 year old men but they are 17 and 18 year old children.
In order to mirror the occurences at UF, you should acknowledge that the person leaving does so the day after you sign a contract for four years. Also, if you try to back out of your contract, then you cannot work for a full year.
J I guess the other thing to consider is why these kids made the choices they did. If they chose the school because of the school then it does not matter really. If they chose the school for the education (yea right) then it does not matter.
However, if they chose the school that offers them the best chance to go to the NFL then it does. Different coordinators have different styles of coaching which require different players and formations. It could directly affect these kids chance to improve on the field and become the player they hope to be.
that's all well and good, but if i am going to sign on for a four year contract then the burden is on me to make sure that this is the place i want to work for the next four years. and if it is a requirement in my mind that i work alongside bob mcdugles for the next four years then i better be damn sure what bob mcdugles plans are. but i don't think mr mcdugles owes me anything just because i made up the requirement that i work with him.
if anything i think the parallels between this system and the real world are a benefit to these "kids". why shelter them in some fantasy world when they will just have to face a bigger reality check later?
The point these guys are trying to make Jae is that this A-hole knew damn well what he was about to do and purposely waited until after signing day so as not to lose any recruits. THAT is shady. If in 2 months an opportunity presented itself that would be better for his life, then by all means let him take it, no one should begrudge him the chance to further his own career. But this was planned and dishonest, and UF sucks at everything. I win.
if i tell my company that i am leaving in a month and they decide to still put me on interviews for that last month (even up until my last day of employment), there's no way that i could do anything to negatively impact the interview process. any negative image that i present to the interviewee would leave me open to a lawsuit. so even on my last day of employment i could interview someone and they may very well be excited to work with me. i hardly see this situation as being a bunch of aholes. there's no way that i am left out of interviews just because i plan on leaving, my insight is still an invaluable part of evaluating the candidate as a potential fit for the company.
But I still think you're giving UF too much credit. This is a very different "business", in that the recruits you sign are hugely dependent upon the coaches they think they'll be working with. I'm sure you know that the department was knowlingly deceitful to get recruits, and this wasn't just a coincidence. With your comparison, that'd be like advertising the boss or whoever as incentive to go work there, hiding the fact that you know he's leaving. That's dishonest! This coordinator lured these kids in - using himself as bait - KNOWING he would be gone the next day. I'd sure feel betrayed if I were one of these recruits.
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Come on, Nick. It is never shady for a coach to leave right after over 20 kids sign a binding contract to play for that coach for the next 4 years.
I figured something like this would happen. I am sure that UF had absolutely no idea this could happen.
I wonder if Urban is going to bail for a little while now that Signing Day is over.
I'm with you Alex...I'm waiting for Urban to make his 'announcement' again now that signing day is over and UF has done all the damage comtrol they could.
Personally I feel sorry for the defensive players that just signed. Way to screw over a bunch of 18 yr olds.
This is not meant just for UF just a thought:
You guys brought up a good point which I find to be a major flaw in the system. These kids have to commit for three years or suffer major consequences and coaches can leave whenever and however they want. Now that being said they are getting a FREE education so at the same time you can't feel to bad.
in three years some of these kids will be getting out and making more than all of us combined, i can't really feel too bad for them. and like nick said, they are getting a free education.
Most of the coaches are in a contract. They have to pay to get out of them (buyout). If the kids want out, they have to pay too. Their cost? Giving up a free education or a year sitting out to change teams.
Most assistant coaches do not have a buyout.
Also, I understand that the kids are getting a free education, but this is an obvious situation were recruits were led on. I think it says something about the character of the coach that leaves and the coaches that were aware but said nothing to the recruits.
Again I agree with Alex...I think there is a bigger issue besides the legal consequences. Not trying to sound over-dramatic here, but what kind of example are coaches setting for these players (not just UF). No loyalty in college football.
this is no different than interviewing for a job. you show up for your interview and spend a whole day talking to a bunch of great people and come to find yourself really liking the company. after accepting an offer you start a month later and come to find that the person you thought you would be working with has left?
does this change things? of course. are you walking into a different situation than you anticipated? yep. but are you going to quit and look for work elsewhere? i doubt it.
are you going to blame that person for leaving? i guess you could, but why? if they left because the change was a better fit for them in their life, that doesn't take away from the value of the company that they were representing.
But, Jae, in the situation you describe you are not talking about kids. I know they look like 30 year old men but they are 17 and 18 year old children.
In order to mirror the occurences at UF, you should acknowledge that the person leaving does so the day after you sign a contract for four years. Also, if you try to back out of your contract, then you cannot work for a full year.
J I guess the other thing to consider is why these kids made the choices they did. If they chose the school because of the school then it does not matter really. If they chose the school for the education (yea right) then it does not matter.
However, if they chose the school that offers them the best chance to go to the NFL then it does. Different coordinators have different styles of coaching which require different players and formations. It could directly affect these kids chance to improve on the field and become the player they hope to be.
that's all well and good, but if i am going to sign on for a four year contract then the burden is on me to make sure that this is the place i want to work for the next four years. and if it is a requirement in my mind that i work alongside bob mcdugles for the next four years then i better be damn sure what bob mcdugles plans are. but i don't think mr mcdugles owes me anything just because i made up the requirement that i work with him.
if anything i think the parallels between this system and the real world are a benefit to these "kids". why shelter them in some fantasy world when they will just have to face a bigger reality check later?
The point these guys are trying to make Jae is that this A-hole knew damn well what he was about to do and purposely waited until after signing day so as not to lose any recruits. THAT is shady. If in 2 months an opportunity presented itself that would be better for his life, then by all means let him take it, no one should begrudge him the chance to further his own career. But this was planned and dishonest, and UF sucks at everything. I win.
if i tell my company that i am leaving in a month and they decide to still put me on interviews for that last month (even up until my last day of employment), there's no way that i could do anything to negatively impact the interview process. any negative image that i present to the interviewee would leave me open to a lawsuit. so even on my last day of employment i could interview someone and they may very well be excited to work with me. i hardly see this situation as being a bunch of aholes. there's no way that i am left out of interviews just because i plan on leaving, my insight is still an invaluable part of evaluating the candidate as a potential fit for the company.
ps, uf doesn't suck at anything but you are still a winner :).
Well thank you :)
But I still think you're giving UF too much credit. This is a very different "business", in that the recruits you sign are hugely dependent upon the coaches they think they'll be working with. I'm sure you know that the department was knowlingly deceitful to get recruits, and this wasn't just a coincidence. With your comparison, that'd be like advertising the boss or whoever as incentive to go work there, hiding the fact that you know he's leaving. That's dishonest! This coordinator lured these kids in - using himself as bait - KNOWING he would be gone the next day. I'd sure feel betrayed if I were one of these recruits.
Thank you Amanda!
This coach knew he was leaving but he hid it from the recruits. This can at least be described as "shady."
What if the recruits didn't want to play for that guy and knew he was leaving so signed with the Gators? Did you ask the recruits what they thought?
I didn't think so...
Haha, this is awesome! You all will come up with anything to bash UF.
Edwards was hired to be our defensive coordinator LESS THAN A MONTH before signing day. Its not like he established himself at UF in anyway.
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